The Oghma Public Library?

Adabelle · Post by **Adabelle** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:25 pm

The ability to read books and donate books in the temples of Oghma.

I know I have several books I am carrying around. I spent a lot of money on them and follow Oghma. I do not want to just throw the books away but I do not want to lug them around the realms either.

The idea is that you can add books and read books but you can not take the books out for quests or wander off with them.

One way is a book shelf container that you can not take books from but you can add books to it and read a book that is in the book shelf.

Another idea is that you can remove the book from the shelf to read a book from the book shelf but a mob will not let you leave with it. With this it would be best if there was a "donate" command to give a book you have.

The contents of the book shelf does not clear at reset but maybe followers of Oghma at a certain level can clean the junk from the book shelf.

"Really guys we do not need 101 copies of the Adventurers Guide."

It would be nice to be able to do this at any temple of Oghma.

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:55 pm

Talk to Lerytha IC on this topic. :D

*hint*

Adabelle · Post by **Adabelle** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:44 am

I definitely will!

I was hoping for some kind of mechanic so that people do not walk off with all the books and the books do not go away at reset, so I thought I would mention it here.

Glim · Post by **Glim** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:51 am

You could always eat them. Mmmm.

Good idea, though it might be hard on the bards who are trying to make money off of these books. I can't really think of a solution at the moment that would prevent that.

Adabelle · Post by **Adabelle** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:23 am

Do bards get paid per book sold?

Dalanna · Post by **Dalanna** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:43 am

Bard publications
=================
Anyone who makes a bardic character is expected to publish or perform or even
both. If your bard is one that writes poems, songs and/or stories they will
need to submit their work for publication to fkpublications@lists.skynet.ie
Once the work is published the PC will be paid coin and given an experience
reward and glory reward as outlined below. Works are published in book format
in most cases.

5 platinum per chapter in the "book"
1 glory point per "book"
1 experience/kismet reward lots per "book"

Note that often those who are not bards will produce a work to be published.
They are also entitled for an experience reward, glory and payment for their
work. They will need to use the same method for being published as bards as
outlined above.

Perhaps they could be rewarded similarly each time their title is checked out?

Raona · Post by **Raona** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:58 pm

Dalanna wrote:
Bard publications
=================
Anyone who makes a bardic character is expected to publish or perform or even
both. If your bard is one that writes poems, songs and/or stories they will
need to submit their work for publication to fkpublications@lists.skynet.ie
Once the work is published the PC will be paid coin and given an experience
reward and glory reward as outlined below. Works are published in book format
in most cases.

5 platinum per chapter in the "book"
1 glory point per "book"
1 experience/kismet reward lots per "book"

Note that often those who are not bards will produce a work to be published.
They are also entitled for an experience reward, glory and payment for their
work. They will need to use the same method for being published as bards as
outlined above.
Perhaps they could be rewarded similarly each time their title is checked out?

I believe that the rewards listed above are a one-time matter, given at the time of publication of the book, and not tied to its subsequent sales. Bards only make money from book sales if they sell them themselves, I think. They can get them from their publisher at a reduced cost; though I can't find a help that goes over that, I'm pretty sure it is the case.

Oghma · Post by **Oghma** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:33 pm

I'm going to say I am more for pc run libraries or library carts. I can see books used as a currency to enter places like temples or shrines, but mobil sponsored book exchanges my be abused as a potential go around for book gathering quests. I welcome the ideal of book trading and libraries, but I would rather see smaller pc run applications. Like that which has been undertaken by several oghmans.

If you eat books though...they may eat you.

Alvirin · Post by **Alvirin** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:37 pm

If I read correctly the books in the library couldn't be taken of it, you must read them there, this would make impossible using these books for quests.

Oghma · Post by **Oghma** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:50 pm

You did, still the potential is there in my opinion. A player character run exchange though can be run by something other than code. I find that would be easier to manage though it would be infrequent and irregular. The only exchange I could see sponsored by code would be one that takes the books back into the system and exchanges them for gratuities and does not physically store them.

Some though might still see the potential for abuse in a pc sponsored library market. I can say to that that a system sponsored market does not allow for originality in book distribution.

Mostly, I'm only expanding on the basis. I would love to welcome a library like Adabelle mentioned. It would need the following though:

A dead magic flagging to keep people from taking books and recalling
a no shove flag that keeps them from shoving the books outside the door
a peace flag to keep people from killing mobiles.

I would be interested in seeing this. I think I would want books to not all be available in one location though but spread out across the world as they are now, depending on region and type.

Don't think I am against your idea or mentioning something completely unrelated, I would only want to cover all available points on the topic of libraries. As they go, it is a very interesting discussion.

Adabelle · Post by **Adabelle** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:06 pm

That is exactly what I had in mind. I remember reading a book where some character went to candle keep and a book was required for entry. I think accepting books or coin for entry would be a great idea. I also agree that each Library should be unique. If you put a book in Library A it is ONLY in library A.

The defenses described by Oghma are of course a must. The Oghmans take their books very seriously and will take ever precaution to avoid their theft or vandalism. I would also like to see a trigger to put out fires.

I am relatively new to the mud. If I wanted to try to get something like this added IC and OOC what steps should I take?

For the IC aspect my character has already talked to the Faith Manager and started things on that end.

Mouat · Post by **Mouat** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:46 pm

Bards have to perform? What kind of performances are we talking about. I know some chars I am not sure I would want to see them perform...

What about non-bards that create books, do they also get some coin profit and glory? Sorry if that has already been answered...

Raona · Post by **Raona** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:19 pm

Mouat wrote:Bards have to perform? What kind of performances are we talking about. I know some chars I am not sure I would want to see them perform...

What about non-bards that create books, do they also get some coin profit and glory? Sorry if that has already been answered...

On the latter point, they do:

HELP PUBLICATIONS
Bards, as well as all other literate characters, can submit publications to
be turned into book and/or painting objects. Those books and paintings will
then be available in special shops found in game.

Publication submissions must be sent to fkpublications@lists.skynet.ie in
the format described on the forum
(http://www.gallwey.com/fk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5699)

Once the submission has been accepted, it takes a few days or weeks before it
can be updated into the game. Once this occurs, your Bard will find, added to
possessions, a portfolio with their name upon it, containing
- a copy of the book or painting
- an onyx performance token
- and some coins.

You should take the onyx performance token to a bard record keeper (they
can be found in various bard guild halls) so they can keep track of
how many publications you have in game. Special rewards are offered
after you have created enough publications. Your QLOG now lists how many
tokens you have turned in.

If you are a bard, you will also receive a marble performance token along
with your first publication. This performance token will allow you to
become a student in one of the bard guilds of Forgotten Kingdoms. This
is the only way for rogues to becomes bards (though marble performance
tokens can also be obtained for other kinds of performances, like dancing,
juggling, acting, ... but these special events must be applied for).

To a lesser extent, the same applies to Kingdom's Journal entries (see Forum of that title).

Nysan · Post by **Nysan** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:35 pm

Glim wrote:You could always eat them. Mmmm.

Ahh, good memories.

Oghma · Post by **Oghma** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:14 am

If you are interested in building or designing an area for the library to be in, you can look in the builder's forum, though you will need to join the builder's group through emailing the builders email. It has some oghman projects that could have a library added to them or you can apply to do a different area or a completely original one depending on what you want. There is no rush certainly and it is good a debate and idea discussion has been opened

Adabelle · Post by **Adabelle** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:52 pm

I am already on the builder group, I am working on the Abjurer Guild. So that step is done.

What IC steps should I take. Does she just 'go about arranging it' while it is discussed OOC and if we can agree on things OOC then all her IC efforts are successful?

Dalvyn · Post by **Dalvyn** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:11 pm

The mechanics of such an area would be quite complex I think, or at least it would require a complex maintenance.

You would have to flag "donated" books in some way, and prevent people from putting them into packs so you can check that they don't leave with a book. You would also, I guess, need to turn the room where the books are stored as a storeroom/dwelling room.

Otherwise, you could have mobs list and load required books as people ask for them, but then you would need to udpate the area each time new books are published.

Anyway, you would need to have a precise idea of how that all would work before starting to build it. You might want to first concentrate on getting an easier area in the game perhaps.

Kregor · Post by **Kregor** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:42 pm

Oghma wrote:If you are interested in building or designing an area for the library to be in, you can look in the builder's forum, though you will need to join the builder's group through emailing the builders email. It has some oghman projects that could have a library added to them or you can apply to do a different area or a completely original one depending on what you want. There is no rush certainly and it is good a debate and idea discussion has been opened

There is an area ICly in Faerun that is this very concept...

Candlekeep

It was slated for building once upon a time... I believe the builders who were supposed to do it since went away, it's now considered a dead project.

It would be NICE to bring it in-game, but it would be more than a 1-person effort, and need a lot of research into the place to truly do it justice. I'm sure we could entertain a group effort to revive the project.

Adabelle · Post by **Adabelle** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:52 pm

Ohohoh!!

I want to help with Candle Keep!

Oghma · Post by **Oghma** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:29 pm

That was the place I mentioned, though I deigned not to use a name since it could be used for any Oghman temple. A bit of game history behind Candlekeep in Fk: The original process to find a builder was as far as I know held off for a experienced builder to attempt. I do not support that as I see anyone with the will to design or to build could attempt it. I do agree that it should be a group because of size and available resources. However there is no rush and in the meantime plenty of other Oghman places to use and build depending on the nature of the situation and preference.

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