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Posting in the same topic right after your last post

Post by Gwain » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:43 am

I've noticed a few instances where people are double posting their posts one after another right after the first post. I think you can edit your previous post to suit your needs or add to it. I could understand if you waited a day or even a few hours between posting and had no response, but it seems a bit strange to multiple post five or ten minutes after to add to your previous post in the same thread when you could just edit that thread to add to it. Not a big deal, I've just been noticing it more and more of late. The ranking swords you get for lots of posts are wonderful things, but I think it would be good to earn them with worthwhile postings not just by piling them one on top of the other right after your last post. Just my thoughts.
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Error message does not mean your post wasn't added to Forum

Post by Raona » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:25 pm

I think this is happening because of this error message:

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File : /home/sites/site47/web/board/phpBB2/includes/smtp.php

If you see this, it does NOT mean that your message was not posted. It was posted, as usual. To check and/or edit it, return to the message and choose the refresh button on your browser. You should then be able to edit it.
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Post by Theillik » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:53 pm

Yeah, I received the debug message and then two of my posts turned up. It's not like I double-posted on purpose. If I could have deleted I would have.




lol I edit my posts too! :P
Sorry, Gwain, I thought you were referring to double posts.


Which brings up a question....can it be possible for us to delete our own posts?
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Post by Mele » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:46 pm

I don't think Gwain means double posts. :) That's obvious it's a mistake, lol. I think he means just posting again because you forgot something/are bored/like cereal etc. Basically : Forgot something? Edit your post! :) is what I see him saying. And agree hugely with! :):)
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Post by Gwain » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:56 pm

That's exactly what I meant and in half the words I used :) I add alot to my own post in the minutes after I finish them, the one above has at least two edits before I was satisfied. I think on the third edit it starts to list automatically when you last edited.
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Post by Jadom » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:33 am

*pffl* It's practically non-existent here.

On a different board I frequent there is a particular member who will look through a thread, find everything they want to reply to, and reply to each one in seperate posts. :evil:

I agree it is annoying.
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Post by Glim » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:19 am

I agree with Jadom, actually. Though, tt doesnt really happen often enough to warrant this, I dont think, and it happens so little that I would say this post might even be a bit of an attack against just one or two people who need not be named.
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Post by Gwain » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:15 am

The nature of my post was to make people aware that they do not have to post instantly after their previous post in the same forum if it can be avoided. I presented several solutions and alternatives. HOWEVER I did not single out anyone in this post nor were they named. My purpose here is not to reprimand or punish anyone for their actions. I am here to provide advice and ideas creatively on a this forum. I rarely post unless I see the need to. Though the problem I adressed which I have observed several times is minimal here I thought that it would be nice to say something now before it becomes a cronic problem. If you feel I or someone like me has laid you low or singled you out in this post please send and email to complaints@forgottenkingdoms.com and I am sure the situation will be dealt with properly and privately.

Personally, I am not here to be the bad guy, I am here to read the forums in between my naps. I just want to enjoy them like everyone else.
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Re: Posting in the same topic right after your last post

Post by Glim » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:46 am

Gwain wrote:The ranking swords you get for lots of posts are wonderful things, but I think it would be good to earn them with worthwhile postings not just by piling them one on top of the other right after your last post.
Sorry then, Gwain. That merely seemed to me like you were accusing those who double posted of only doing it so they could raise the posting score, which has no impact on anything at all, really. It also felt as if you were saying that their second post was not worthwhile.

As for double posting, in my opinion, it is not a problem. I have seen it maybe less than five times in the history of this forum and I do not see it escalating anytime soon, unless of course, it escalates because of this thread more than anything. Yes, I believe it is not needed when you post a second time to merely correct something in your previous post, you could use edit for this. But I feel that there is nothing wrong when creating a discussion, if the two posts are very large, to follow up the main discussion post with one of your own opinions concerning this matter so that your opinion and the main topic of the discussion is not confused. This is all merely my own opinion, of course.

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Post by Gwain » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:03 am

I used the ranking swords as an example. If anyone feels I accuse them of double posting to gain more of these or such I apologise. I am sure you are double posting minutes after your previous post for other reasons, it happens. We all learn and grow as time allows. I am hopeful that by taking a closer look at it now, we can avoid it later, or as so many others put it, this can be overlooked and ignored. However, I will continue to take the time to edit my postings if I have to add to them immediately afterwards and not take up space with unnecccesary additions. Because I feel it is neccesary.
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Post by Athon » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:06 am

Being the owner/admin/mod of my own group of forums, I understand your difficulty when people make a lot of useless posts, mainly to get their post count higher.

But I have not seen this problem here in these forums. I've seen Solaghar post twice in a row - but that was due to the fact that he wrote so much he ran into the buffer of his first post and had to start another. And another unnamed example, someone brought up a topic and explained what it was about. He then answered his own question by replying to the thread and responding thoroughly. I feel as though this is completely legit. The first post in the thread was the topic for the whole thread and his reply was a reply to that.

The only time that double posts should be confronted is when one (or both) contribute very little to the topic. These tend to be short one line answers in an effort to raise post count. The posts here in the Forgotten Kingdoms forums are almost always full, enriching, enlightening, or all of the above. :)

I'm not trying to attack you at all, Gwain. I'm just stating my opinion upon the matter as one mod to another.

Edit 1: This post was posted before I read Gwain's last post - I started before he had finished.
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Post by Mele » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:00 pm

Just spent like 20 mins looking for the right thread to bump, but this is the best one I can find.

I'm not trying to single anyone out at all.

The one line posts are KILLING me. I feel like I'm reading the same thing over and over lately.

I dunno how to say that w/o sounding bossy or condescending so yea. The one liners, killing me! ;;

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Post by Algon » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:09 pm

I agree :P hehe
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Post by Raona » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:58 am

Respectfully, I much prefer a one-line post that says something to any post that says little or nothing, no matter how many words go into doing so.

Please do take the time to ensure that what you are posting substantively contributes to the conversation at hand, as well described in
http://www.forgottenkingdoms.com/board/ ... .php?t=242
(Tempus and Oghma's comments also seem particularly sanguine, as well as Mystra's admonition against asking WHEN.)

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Post by Mele » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:31 pm

Um. We're not talking about one liners that have input here. :)

We're talking about one liners that repeat something previously posted by the same person or do not have any meaning towards the thread whatsoever. :)
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Re: Error message does not mean your post wasn't added to Fo

Post by Leohand » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:21 pm

Raona wrote:I think this is happening because of this error message:

General Error

Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: 553 5.3.0 ... No such user here

DEBUG MODE

Line : 169
File : /home/sites/site47/web/board/phpBB2/includes/smtp.php

If you see this, it does NOT mean that your message was not posted. It was posted, as usual. To check and/or edit it, return to the message and choose the refresh button on your browser. You should then be able to edit it.

I've seen that a half dozen times or so today, lol. It's nice to know.
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Post by Kelemvor » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:52 pm

Just to note, that the bug quoted is (as far as I recall) the result of the board having problems with one or more of the e-mail addresses of previous posters.

Those who have their profile set to be e-mailed when a new post is made should ensure that the e-mail address in their profile is active. Otherwise, the board can not e-mail the previous poster an dnew posters get the error message
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Post by Mariela » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:49 am

I am rather amused that a topic about people making a post back to back with another one has caused such a stir!

To be honest, I never take these boards too seriously in terms of posting. (edited to include for clarity: "I mean by seriously, is that I do not care if I am the lowest poster or the highest, or whether or not my opinion is even noted. It does not end my life when it's not!) When I have something to say, it normally will fill a post up on it's own without having to fluff it.... or answer with a one line, "yes I agree" statement.

I guess, because I do not read every single thread present on the board, I never find people who double post annoying. Or maybe it's cause I don't mind just reading until my brain gets a going and then I just skip down and say my piece. Who knows.

I agree with Gwain or whomever said it. Posts should be posts of quality. If you are going to take the time and effort to post something, you might as well give it some substance. It would probably cut down on the times people get offended by yout posting, incidently. People who post things that are less than a paragraph tend to have their thoughts taken away into that weird place people go when they are offended. A rule of thumb I have on posting is this: A post of quality is three complete sentances long. A post of fluff is anything less than three sentances.

Uh.. what else.

Oh someome said something about the right to delete your own post. From personal experiance helping maintain another message board, (in fact a play by post board), moderators hate giving the general populace that power. Why? Because if someone is offended by your post, you can easily say "Bite It" And take it down. Then it removes the evidence of what you said, and it just gets snowballed. It would also give the general populace the power to just hit delete on various things to cause chaos.

Does that mean the administration doesn't trust us? No. It is actually better for them that THEY control it rather than us. That way, it's fair across the board what gets deleted and what stays, ect.

And everyone goes home happy. :)
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Post by Japcil » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:19 am

One reason sometimes it helps to reply even with a body of the post just stating you agree is that your "subscribed" and receive email updates. Other boards I frequesnt have added the ability to subscribe without posting but from my understanding it took alot of phpBB coding and was a pain for them.

On the ability to delete posts. It is possible. Moments after you post there is an x box to the top right of your post. Click it and it goes bye bye. I believe it stays there until your post is replied to. Other than that only a mod can delete. Note: this seems to only be in certain portions of the forum.

I am one of the poeple that tries to make an effort to read every post before me on the screen. I think of the board as an expansive help file I can communicate with.

One thing that bothers me the most is when someone does go about editing way after they posted and others reply. After that it just loses meaning since something that was originally in that post and discussed further downis no longer there and confuses those who later search for that topic to see if it has been discussed. Note I have never experienced it here and its greatly appreciated.
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Post by Amalia » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:49 am

Mariela wrote:A post of quality is three complete sentances long. A post of fluff is anything less than three sentances.
I'd prefer eloquence over excess verbage any day.

I could go on and explain that it's more than feasible to say something of substance in less than three sentences, and note that people get bored and irritated when they have to read a paragraph to get a message that could have been communicated in a single line. I could give a long-winded example or try to bring up and respond to every possible counterpoint to my argument. However, I firmly believe that a one-line post would have been quite sufficient in this case and in many others.

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